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right, steve? >> thank you. >> yesterday we wondered if it was lincoln versus ar go versus zero dark thirty. don't get started on les miserables. >> fabulous, fabulous. >> but i digress! time to back spin. i want to focus on the best director race because that's the most clear predictor of best picture in the last nine years, director and picture split once. if you're not nominated, you have no chance. tarrantino is not nominated. ben affleck, kathryn bigelow. no chance to win. i'm happy to see "the master" get three acting nominations. "moon rise kingdom." completely forgotten. i don't know why that is. we are down to the year of "lincoln." >> so it's the year of lincoln now, huh? >> yeah. interesting. >> ho my god. seriously? >> i have very little to add to the conversation having seen none of them but i want to point out having this conversation with toure -- >> and? and? >> and steve freedman. >> and debating which one -- >> we weren't debating. we were explaining. >> i said i think it's "linco
right, steve? >> thank you. >> yesterday we wondered if it was lincoln versus ar go versus zero dark thirty. don't get started on les miserables. >> fabulous, fabulous. >> but i digress! time to back spin. i want to focus on the best director race because that's the most clear predictor of best picture in the last nine years, director and picture split once. if you're not nominated, you have no chance. tarrantino is not nominated. ben affleck, kathryn bigelow. no chance...
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. >> steve schmitt made an interesting point with rachel maddow saying we tend to think of this as a partisan issue. it's more of a regional issue. we show regional ownership of guns by region. do you think that these new groups that come up, mayor bloomberg's group and gabby giffords and mark kelly's group, over the long-term that they can shift the political calculus and shift that cultural dynamic that is in play right now? >> first of all, it's not just a regional thing. it's by party as well. if you look at polling on guns and possession of guns and types of weapons and so forth, republicans are strongly in favor of being extremely cautious about imposing any new restrictions. democrats are pretty strongly in favor. independents are split right down the middle. again that's something that democrats have to be concerned about. i don't claim to be steeped in the gun culture, but i worked in kentucky for years and i know the state and the people there and they rightly care about their guns not only for constitutional reasons, but reasons of sport and way of and hunting and it's ver
. >> steve schmitt made an interesting point with rachel maddow saying we tend to think of this as a partisan issue. it's more of a regional issue. we show regional ownership of guns by region. do you think that these new groups that come up, mayor bloomberg's group and gabby giffords and mark kelly's group, over the long-term that they can shift the political calculus and shift that cultural dynamic that is in play right now? >> first of all, it's not just a regional thing. it's by...
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steve, pollsters aren't the only ones giving the republicans advice on how to improve their image. here is former secretary of state general colin powell. take a listen to him. >> i think the republican party right now is having an identity problem, and i'm still a republican. i think what the republican party needs to do now is take a very hard look at itself and understand that the country has changed. the country is changing demographically and if the republican party does not change along with that demographic, they're going to be in trouble. >> steve, senator marco rubio has fired back immediately, and he points out that the gop has put to hispanics in the senate plus an african-american. that's got to be the poorest defense of tokenism i have ever heard, isn't it? >> what general powell said is right. the problem is this, the rest of the country is moving in a certain direction demographically in a way that makes it more possible than ever for a democrat to win a presidential race, makes it more possible than ever for democrats to start winning all of these statewide races an
steve, pollsters aren't the only ones giving the republicans advice on how to improve their image. here is former secretary of state general colin powell. take a listen to him. >> i think the republican party right now is having an identity problem, and i'm still a republican. i think what the republican party needs to do now is take a very hard look at itself and understand that the country has changed. the country is changing demographically and if the republican party does not change...
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. >>> i'm steve kornacki. a month since newtown and this afternoon vice president biden handed the president the wish list for gun control. former congress joe sustek takes his turn in "the cycle." >>> looks like a tough four years in washington. we're helping president obama break the second-term curse. >>> there's one more on envelope to open. who won the golden globes pool? spoiler alert, the answer coming in "the back spin." >>> tired words of president obama today as washington holds the nation up against another debt ceiling. >> it would be a self inflicted wound on the economy, it would slow down our growth. might tip us in to recession. and ironically, would probably increase our deficit. so to even entertain the idea of this happening, of the united states of america not paying its bills, is irresponsible. it's absurd. we are not a deadbeat nation. >> thank goodness. but next, news flash, we already hit the ceiling two weeks ago. and the treasury's been using, quote, extraordinary measures to pay its
. >>> i'm steve kornacki. a month since newtown and this afternoon vice president biden handed the president the wish list for gun control. former congress joe sustek takes his turn in "the cycle." >>> looks like a tough four years in washington. we're helping president obama break the second-term curse. >>> there's one more on envelope to open. who won the golden globes pool? spoiler alert, the answer coming in "the back spin." >>> tired...
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let me ask you about this, steve, the gay rights thing. this country has moved like a blitzkrieg, to use a bad metaphor, for 20, 30 years. i have moved so far. i'm a pretty liberal guy, but i moved -- >> what were you saying 14 years ago? >> i wasn't saying this, but i wasn't going out to get hormel, and i wasn't calling him aggressively gay or stuff about that. what he meant is he's militant. today i look at the numbers, the majority of american people support gay marriage. this country is going through an incredible transition of acceptance, if not celebration, real acceptance. >> i think that's absolutely right. i think it's become a nonissue for most. >> yeah. >> and i think that even if you poll the gop party, you find a majority that support gay marriage in -- >> just haven't gotten around to it in the platform yet. >> exactly. i have known chuck hagel for years, and i have had a relationship, interaction, and i happen to have been accidentally at least maybe the only journalist or blogger at the time that talked to him a couple year
let me ask you about this, steve, the gay rights thing. this country has moved like a blitzkrieg, to use a bad metaphor, for 20, 30 years. i have moved so far. i'm a pretty liberal guy, but i moved -- >> what were you saying 14 years ago? >> i wasn't saying this, but i wasn't going out to get hormel, and i wasn't calling him aggressively gay or stuff about that. what he meant is he's militant. today i look at the numbers, the majority of american people support gay marriage. this...
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steve, first to you. what are the markets saying? what is jack lew's reputation in wall street and what do you see coming forward with debt negotiations? >> i think this appointment is being taken advisedly in the sense that it's a kind of wait and see. you know, from my perspective, having covered more or less -- more or less degrees, seven of the past treasury secretaries, jack lew does come to the table with a bio that perhaps has less independence in it than any treasury secretary i can remember. robert rubin, hailing from goldman sachs, salary summers was a renowned economist. paul o'neil from alcoa. there's nothing on lew's resume that suggests any measure of independence. markets want a little bit of independence from their treasury secretary. that said, if jack lew's appointment can, in fact, result in some kind of longer term budget deal affixed to entitlements, tax reform, corporate and individual that i think markets would be happy to give up that independence. the troubling is i don't hear anybody right now saying that th
steve, first to you. what are the markets saying? what is jack lew's reputation in wall street and what do you see coming forward with debt negotiations? >> i think this appointment is being taken advisedly in the sense that it's a kind of wait and see. you know, from my perspective, having covered more or less -- more or less degrees, seven of the past treasury secretaries, jack lew does come to the table with a bio that perhaps has less independence in it than any treasury secretary i...
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steve king introduced a bill in 2011 to clarify in his words the 14th amendment. the amendment grants citizenship to anyone born -- it was written after the civil war for african-americans obviously. well, king argued tfers not meant to including babies of illegal immigrants. take a look. >> anchor babies are babies that are born in the united states to an illegal mother and the practice over the years has been to grant automatic citizenship to babies born on u.s. soil. they sneak into the united states many of them for the purposes of having the baby, they get the little birth certificate with their little feet prints on there, and then they stay here or go back to their home country and wait until that child comes of age and then that child, they use that child to apply to bring in the family, the nuclear family, then the extended family. and it's out of control. >> you might expect something like that from the man who questioned whether barack obama's mom might have sent his birth announcement by telegram from kenya. king is at it again with anchor babies. intr
steve king introduced a bill in 2011 to clarify in his words the 14th amendment. the amendment grants citizenship to anyone born -- it was written after the civil war for african-americans obviously. well, king argued tfers not meant to including babies of illegal immigrants. take a look. >> anchor babies are babies that are born in the united states to an illegal mother and the practice over the years has been to grant automatic citizenship to babies born on u.s. soil. they sneak into...
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in fact, already there are a couple of bills that have been put in one by representative steve stockman outside of houston that would remove the gun free zones that have been so much like a magnet to invite mass murderers into zones where they know nobody else will be able to shoot back. and that i think is where the debate is likely to shift. are we really better off when we say no defense is a good defense? >> chris: i want to put up an ad that gun control advocates have started running against new democratic senator heidi hei dcamp of north dakota when she said some of the president's ideas about gun control are extreme. will that work. can ms. tanden and their allies and they have suggested they can drive a wedge between people like you, the heads of the nra and some of their members who may not be as hardline as you guys are on gun controls? >> i think the senator from north dakota is reflecting the views of the people that sent her to washington. so i don't think there is much room to drive any wedge. i think she is representing them rather faithfully and i think it is noteworthy
in fact, already there are a couple of bills that have been put in one by representative steve stockman outside of houston that would remove the gun free zones that have been so much like a magnet to invite mass murderers into zones where they know nobody else will be able to shoot back. and that i think is where the debate is likely to shift. are we really better off when we say no defense is a good defense? >> chris: i want to put up an ad that gun control advocates have started running...
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first of all what can you tell us about steve and amber, the democratic donors based in texas. do you know about them? >> oh, sure. they are big democratic contributors in the state of texas, and there are very few democratic candidates in texas to give money to. all of the office holders at the state-wide level are republicans, but they are major contributors for barack obama, went after rick perry a couple of years ago, ran an ad chiding perry, daring perry to engage his democratic opponent in debate. ran full page ad with a picture of perry on it with the word coward on it. and so have a relatively young guy in these fights is really a feather in the cap of those folks, both democrats in texas and folks nationally. >> jennifer: democrats in texas often seems to be an oxymoron but for those outside of texas who know there are strong democratic supporters who are willing to poke rick perry in the eye gives us comfort. today rick perry actually slammed governor cuomo's proposed assault weapon's ban. what is going on in texas? do texans agree? what are you hearing on the ground.
first of all what can you tell us about steve and amber, the democratic donors based in texas. do you know about them? >> oh, sure. they are big democratic contributors in the state of texas, and there are very few democratic candidates in texas to give money to. all of the office holders at the state-wide level are republicans, but they are major contributors for barack obama, went after rick perry a couple of years ago, ran an ad chiding perry, daring perry to engage his democratic...
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joining us now is steve kornacki, host of "the cycle." steve, it's good to see you. empty threats? or are we in uncharted obstruction territory? >> i don't think it's uncharted yet. i'm curious to see how it plays out. i think in terms of the republicans unifying in opposition, it's more likely in the case of hagel than lew, but we'll see how that plays out. i don't pick up yet in either case on the threat of what could kill either of these nominations that would be a filibuster there is a sense in hagel, even if he had all the republicans, all 45 of them say they are against him, there will be still be up or down. so maybe 55-45, maybe one democrat will peel off. the longer term threat here is this. what we've already experienced in the last four years is that the republicans in some very sort of troubling ways have changed the behavior enormous for congressional parties. you look at how they have treated the debt ceiling. they tried to claim that as a legitimate bargaining tool. you look what the senate republicans have down with the filibuster, taking extremes we have not seen b
joining us now is steve kornacki, host of "the cycle." steve, it's good to see you. empty threats? or are we in uncharted obstruction territory? >> i don't think it's uncharted yet. i'm curious to see how it plays out. i think in terms of the republicans unifying in opposition, it's more likely in the case of hagel than lew, but we'll see how that plays out. i don't pick up yet in either case on the threat of what could kill either of these nominations that would be a filibuster...
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. >>> i'm steve kornacki, finding out who gave me the flu. really. it's a sick new app. >>> all that plus what kids, kesha and congress have common. we're all about making connections here on "the cycle." all right. it's just 13 days to the inauguration and if you thought president obama's first term was polarizing, just wait for the second. for instance, his first term was polarizing despite obama's efforts. his second could be polarizing because of them. need proof? already the president's putting up his dukes nominating chuck hagel to run the pentagon. he slammed the door on debt ceiling negotiations demanding congress raise it without drama and says he's ready to be tough on gun control but remember the president doesn't have to worry about re-election ever again. so expect his second term agenda to look a lot like this. full of overtures to the base which criticized him over the last four years for caving to republicans. to help decipher what to expect in the next four years, we start with nbc's peter alexander outside of the white house and "th
. >>> i'm steve kornacki, finding out who gave me the flu. really. it's a sick new app. >>> all that plus what kids, kesha and congress have common. we're all about making connections here on "the cycle." all right. it's just 13 days to the inauguration and if you thought president obama's first term was polarizing, just wait for the second. for instance, his first term was polarizing despite obama's efforts. his second could be polarizing because of them. need...
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the wife's lawyer joins us, steve, thanks for joining us. >> you're welcome, greta. >> greta: steve, just so that i have an understanding, what is your -- what kind of practice do you have of law. estate practice or criminal lawyer, what kind of practice? >> i'm a criminal defense attorney primarily. >> greta: okay, that's the first sign fthe wife thinks she needs a criminal defense lawyer, that's a red flag. she didn't go to an estate lawyer to figure out how to divvy up the estate he she went to a criminal defense lawyer. >> no, no, that's not what happened. what happened the estate lawyer, she -- the husband had passed away in july. the estate had been started to go through probate and around the 6th of november the state's attorney got a warrant to search her apartment, or to search her house and the warrant said it was for investigation of first degree murder. then before she hired me, or talked to me, she went into the chicago police department, talked with them for four and a half hours without counsel, and then after all of that, she informed the estate lawyer of what had hap
the wife's lawyer joins us, steve, thanks for joining us. >> you're welcome, greta. >> greta: steve, just so that i have an understanding, what is your -- what kind of practice do you have of law. estate practice or criminal lawyer, what kind of practice? >> i'm a criminal defense attorney primarily. >> greta: okay, that's the first sign fthe wife thinks she needs a criminal defense lawyer, that's a red flag. she didn't go to an estate lawyer to figure out how to divvy...
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we have congressman steve cohen on the show. he's going to talk about gun control. and then you know now alex jones jones, he attacked the "the young turks." >> jennifer: i hope you have invited him on. >> cenk: we have. we'll see how that turns out. >> jennifer: i could not believe that a man who is allowed to have weapons if you saw that particular explosion. i felt sorry for poor pierce morgan. on your show, the issue of gun control, you're going to be talking about it, but do you think, cenk, you, that we can actually stoke congress to do something? do you have confidence that we might be able to shame them? >> cenk: you know, it's really interesting. we talked to congressman yarmouth on the show, and he thinks we can get it done. but congressman cohen is more skeptical. every day that goes by we get further away from bogey able to do it. i have to give the obama administration credit, they're considering really strong proposals. i'm hopeful. >> jennifer: cheng uygur hopeful on gun safety measures, i'm feeling good about it. that's all i can say. we'll be watchi
we have congressman steve cohen on the show. he's going to talk about gun control. and then you know now alex jones jones, he attacked the "the young turks." >> jennifer: i hope you have invited him on. >> cenk: we have. we'll see how that turns out. >> jennifer: i could not believe that a man who is allowed to have weapons if you saw that particular explosion. i felt sorry for poor pierce morgan. on your show, the issue of gun control, you're going to be talking...
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steve knows this. but guess what? in 1992, you got the first president -- first democratic president in 12 years who then became the first democratic president since fdr to be re-elected. and now you've had the second democratic president to be re-elected since fdr who's the first guy who had a chance. and so but right now we're at a point where republicans can't rethink themselves if they don't accept that they need to do something. >> quick numbers here. so in the middle of this when democrats went too far left starting in 1968 and lost people like my parents who had been democrats going all the way back to fdr. >> let's just say '66. reagan wins midterm. >> so we start '66. the next 5 out of 6 presidential elections, republicans win the popular vote. so democrats get their act together. they offend the base. they move to the center. like you said, it's instituted, and then what happens? democrats win 5 of the next 6 presidential elections in the popular vote. this is not that hard. republicans have gone too far rig
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>> uh-huh. >> steve rattner, here's a great example. bobby jindal, like me, a really conservative guy economically. but has come out and spoken out against the stupid wing of the republican party. he's been very responsible. remember right after the election? >> yeah. >> like come on, we have got to be more inclusive, guys, and got to stop being the stupid party. here's a great example. you can disagree with bobby jindal on economics, which i'm sure you do -- >> right. >> -- because he's a lot like me, but you can respect bobby jindal as being a smart guy who wants to expand the party and be more inclusive. >> yeah. i agree. i respect him for all those things. and i think he is part of the future of the party. this particular proposal, i think what you said about it is accurate which is it does all things being equal, it's worse for poor people because they do spend more of their income, it's what we call a regressive tax. >> so you hear about lance? >> i think he's going to do oprah and tell all. >> what do you mean? what's he going to
>> uh-huh. >> steve rattner, here's a great example. bobby jindal, like me, a really conservative guy economically. but has come out and spoken out against the stupid wing of the republican party. he's been very responsible. remember right after the election? >> yeah. >> like come on, we have got to be more inclusive, guys, and got to stop being the stupid party. here's a great example. you can disagree with bobby jindal on economics, which i'm sure you do -- >>...
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but it's entirely possible that the house of representatives will approve a bill by representative steve stockman to do away with the gun-free school zones. >> and you'd be happy with that, if every school suddenly had people running around with guns, right? >> you're a good guesser. yes, sir. >> where are they going to put them? >> well, when people carry a concealed firearm, one doesn't exactly know for sure. and the element of surprise remains with the person carrying concealed, which means that somebody contemplating doing something horrible doesn't know which person or persons might be able to arrest him -- to stop him. and that's why our jurisdictions that have easy access to concealed carry firearms enjoy lower murder rates than, say, the gun control mecca of chicago which does better than one murder a day. >> let me end by asking you one more question. i think people watching will be curious. you're a very experienced man in your field. you've run your operation for a long time. people take you seriously. you're a leading member of the gun rights lobby. and people believe what yo
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let's let ali weigh in. >> steve, good to see you. i'm not sure anyone who would nominate for treasury secretary that the editorial of the wall street editorial would but who knows. your history is one of a tax fighter. you've been a tax fighter forever. you're founder of the club for growth. >> right. >> you've got the same dna as grover norquist and pat toomey and guys like this. jack lew understands budgets. the fact of the matter is, this is a guy that can speak the right language when the biggest crisis in washington right now is the fact that there's an absence of a budget. >> okay. so, ali, that's a great point. when i heard you talk about this before it was the one thing that you said that i kind of disagreed with. look, we have a fiscal crisis on our hands, we have a debt crisis. if you look at his performance in the last few years in terms of running the budget office and being the chief of staff for the president, the debt crisis has gotten much worse. i don't look at that reference and say, gee, this is a guy who is really
let's let ali weigh in. >> steve, good to see you. i'm not sure anyone who would nominate for treasury secretary that the editorial of the wall street editorial would but who knows. your history is one of a tax fighter. you've been a tax fighter forever. you're founder of the club for growth. >> right. >> you've got the same dna as grover norquist and pat toomey and guys like this. jack lew understands budgets. the fact of the matter is, this is a guy that can speak the right...
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>> we've got tom ridge, senator bob casey, steve clemons, but we have the president of the united states and hamid karzai airing live at 1:00. >> sounds like an easy booking right there. andrea mitchell, thank you so much. >>> next, "the new york times'" gail collins joins us on set. keep it right here on "morning joe." ♪ aww man. [ male announcer ] returns are easy with free pickup from the u.s. postal service. we'll even drop off boxes if you need them. visit usps.com pay, print, and have it picked up for free. any time of year. ♪ nice sweater. thank you. ♪ >>> president obama will nominate his chief of staff over at the white house, jack lew, to be the next treasury secretary. >> it's going to be his signature, right, on the bottom of all our currency. it will look something like this. >> that -- that's your signature? or are you just testing to see if the pen works? hey, lew, here's a tip. stop signing all your checks on the teacup ride at disney world. the only way that you're allowed to have that as your signature is if your name is boing! >> he does have a funny signature. w
>> we've got tom ridge, senator bob casey, steve clemons, but we have the president of the united states and hamid karzai airing live at 1:00. >> sounds like an easy booking right there. andrea mitchell, thank you so much. >>> next, "the new york times'" gail collins joins us on set. keep it right here on "morning joe." ♪ aww man. [ male announcer ] returns are easy with free pickup from the u.s. postal service. we'll even drop off boxes if you need...